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« on: May 01, 2007, 08:20:41 PM » |
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Yep, we all know that this book is the home of the evil Artemis, where he is, undoubtedly, rather evil... do you prefer this Artemis, or the 'new' Artemis - the one with the conscience? I prefer the new one, even though the old, evil Artemis was pretty cool... it was weird having an evil character as the main protagonist...
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 08:24:58 PM » |
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The 'evil' prtagonist was what made the book so great, in my opinion. In what other book do you want the villain to win? What I find most interesting, though, is Artemis transitioning between the two. I love the character development, how he changes. I suppose if he had to be flat-out one or the other, I'd prefer the 'bad' Artemis, but that won't happen. He'll always be at least a small part criminal mastermind...
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 08:25:32 PM » |
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I like the new 'version' of Artemis better. His plans in the first one of course are pure genius but just overall I think the stories in the later books have a different feel to them which I just seem to like better.
I didn't find having an evil character a bit weird. I thought it was a great way to attract readers to continue reading the books but then in the end realizing that Artemis isn't such a bad person after all.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 08:29:22 PM » |
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I feel that the evil Artemis was a bit superficial, it was almost impossible to understand him, but now I feel more attached to him... *wishes he could explain better*
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2007, 08:32:57 PM » |
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I felt like I understood him, sort of... I mean, it isn't like he was evil, though we call him that. He still had a conscience, regrets, fears. He was more... misguided? Now I'm not sure how to explain. He was still human throughout.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2007, 08:34:00 PM » |
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I feel that the evil Artemis was a bit superficial, it was almost impossible to understand him, but now I feel more attached to him... *wishes he could explain better*
I almost know what you mean when you say that. I do feel more attached to him now than before but maybe because of nearly the same reason of being able to relate to him to better. It could also be just the fact that I've spent more time reading the books as more came out, though.  |
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 10:12:55 AM » |
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I preferred Artemis as the confused little boy he was in the Arctic Incident (not quite good, note quite diabolical).  .Although if you were to ask me now, I would rather he be evil than good. It would be strange to have an evil protagonist, but then again it's interesting and different.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 05:46:45 PM » |
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It's true that the old Artemis was quite interesting by his criminal mastermind and his will to become richer. But the new one is better because he tries to unify his bad plans with his new conscience.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 05:56:47 PM » |
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Sorcha, so you find the books a bit weird to read because he's changed so much?  |
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 08:22:41 PM » |
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I like the evil Artemis, honestly. The whole idea of a 12 year-old criminal mastermind is mainly what got me intrigued and curious enough to purchase the books in the first place.  Rarely do we find characters like him. Of course, it is interesting to watch his character struggle and eventually mature, but then again, his darker side was just really appealing. Character-wise, an evil Artemis was a breath of fresh air--a beacon of light that melts away the sugary-sweet goodness of contemporary "bubblegum" literature. |
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 09:50:41 PM » |
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Ah- Darvit, you were so eloquent. That is almost precisely what I think.
I'd also like to add that I think it's really the fact that he was 'evil' that makes him interesting now that he's good. It's like Darvit says, that's what keeps AF unique and stops it from becoming "bubblegum" literature (I love that term, I'm going to start using it).
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2007, 01:21:04 PM » |
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The whole idea of a 12 year-old criminal mastermind is mainly what got me intrigued and curious enough to purchase the books in the first place. Yeah, that's the idea that got me hooked as well . I would've liked to see how Colfer would've continued if he'd kept Artemis as an anti-hero (in the epilogue of the first book before he planned the last three, I believe he mentioned something about Artemis having numerous encounters or something with the People over the years, and Holly being the leading officer in those cases I thought that had been a sort of implicit message that Artemis would still be evil). Sorcha, so you find the books a bit weird to read because he's changed so much? Yes XD. I mean, I mark the Opal Deception as the book where it starts to get strange because that's where his conscience comes out, and even though I suppose he's being good by using criminal methods, it's abnormal to me watching him reconcile the good with evil abnormal, but not necessarily bad Basically what MMK said I guess. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2007, 01:30:55 AM » |
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MMK and Darvit both said what I wanted to.
I mean, the evil Artemis was what made the books Artemis Fowl. It is what set them apart, the main character wasn't some ridiculously heroic, it was funny. The character had to evolve though, evil Artemis would get boring. Still, I miss him.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 06:40:34 AM » |
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We all miss evil Artemis... though we did kind of see some elements of him return in TOD...
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 12:30:29 PM » |
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evil artemis was a good charachter but now i feel more attached to him cuz hes showings signs of having a guilty concience and other emotions that were previosly hidden from us it makes him seem more ....human...
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